scarborough will touch upon the iron bowl at the top of the hour. "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ top of the hour. "morning joe" starts right now. okay. good morning. it's monday, december 2nd. >> it's like 2:00 in the afternoon. you had a busy weekend. >> i did. >> you fried turkey? >> my neighbor fried my turkey. >> so nice. >> that's john campbell frying my turkey >> he has a refrigerator on his front porch. >> brought a snickers bar over. >> here we go. look at that.

>> i have to say i ate it and loved it. it was delicious. >> was it really? >> yes. notice how the turkey goes in and i'm taking a video and john campbell, he runs away. so i thought oh, my god is it going to blow up? >> how long did he fry it? >> 40 minutes. >> what's he doing? >> i thought my god maybe i should back off. >> how did it taste? did it taste like a big french fry? >> no. it was good. >> crispy on the outside? >> it was good. >> golden brown on the outside. >> you went to the jets game yesterday. >> went to the jets game. and it was fun. they lost but they are so nice. >> the jets. >> yeah. >> you had time yesterday. >> we didn't fry anything. i'm hoping my husband done ever decide to try that because it's

one very small fire department in our town and i don't want to be -- >> get out in the yard. >> and run away like john campbell did. he's a kourjs guy. >> you had a nice gathering? >> we had a great gathering until saturday. >> big success. >> was there a football game on this weekend inwe have robert gibbs. we specifically invited robert gibbs here. >> oh. >> come as you are. >> he's wearing what he happened -- >> this is what happens when you win the lottery. >> how is your weekend. >> mark, what did you do? >> i just thought about robert gibbs. robert, where did you watch the game? >> i watched the game in section 28 row 13. >> oh, my god. did you go on the field afterwards? >> we did not get on field. you had to jump over the hedge

to get on to the field and afc little worried with my 10-year-old. >> you don't look good in that shirt. you look like a person that may touch me inappropriately. >> mika there's nothing you can say about my shirt that is even remotely concerning to me. >> i want to be very clear. there's nothing you can say about it. >> robert, can you explain to your 10-year-old son that he could live 100 more years as an auburn fan and there will never be a game that has the impact and the ending for an auburn game as the game he witnessed on saturday night? >> i told him afterwards, i said we spent so much money on these tickets because i wanted you to think in 20 or 30 years when somebody was talking about that game that you were at that game and it came true. let's see it one more time. >> it's an incredible play. >> it never gets old watching

this play. >> all right. that was beautiful. we're going to be talking about this much more later in the show. we'll show that play many times because it was great. even you, i know it was hard. we have a lot of news to get to including the obama care website up and running a lot better than it used to be. first stretches of new york's commuter rail line are closed this morning after a deadly train crash over the weekend. four people were killed. more than 60 injured. 11 in critical condition. early morning metro north commuter train traveling south from poughkeepsie to grand central station derailed in the bronx. 100 people were on the seven cars which came to a violent stop just short of a nearby river. the train was only about 12 miles away from its destination and many were dozing off when the cars tumbled off tracks. tom costello joins us live from the scene. is there any indication about the issue of speed playing a

role in the crash? >> reporter: that's the big question this morning, mika, because most of the passengers who were on said this train of traveling at a very high clip and the governor said he thinks speed was a factor and the engineer has told several people he tried to apply the brakes but they didn't work. that's the train behind me. there are four cars there. you can see on the right-hand side that big car that's laying on its side there, so at the moment the big question is how fast were they going? you mentioned the injured, mostly suffered from broken bones, lacerations, head contusions. the ntsb is on the scene and trying to determine how exactly how this happened. early sunday morning, a massive emergency response in new york. a twisted and broken metro north train on its side after crashing to a sudden violent stop. passengers said it all happened in a blink. >> we were going fast. as it hit the curb it was

flying. >> there was screaming and people crying out god and asking for their families. it was pretty gruesome. >> reporter: the train left poughkeepsie, new york at 5:54 a.m. downed for union station in manhattan. less than 20 minutes from its final destination it went off the tracks in the bronx alongside the hudson river. seven cars derailed. dan cohen's apartment is above the crash. >> it sounded like a plane crash that kept going on and on. that buckling sound of the train. it lasted for about ten seconds. >> reporter: arriving firefighters found three victims had been thrown from the cars. >> we had evidence of people under a couple of cars. so we actually used air bags to lift the cars. >> reporter: in all four dead, 63 injured. already the governor has said early evidence suggests the train may have been traveling much too fast.

coming in to the spuyten duyvil training it made a right-hand turn but instead it went into the harlem river. >> we don't know what the train speed was. we'll learn that from the vehicle event recorders. and incidentally we recovered the event recorder off the cab car. >> reporter: there's been trouble before. in july a northbound freight train derailed near the same curve. last month ntsb raised concern about maintenance. and whether the crew was paying attention. recent fatal accidents in california and spain were tied to detracted crew pbs. >> they will look into their rest periods for the previous 72 hours. fatigue is a critical issue in transportation. >> no reason why people coming

home from a holiday should be dead. it's just no reason for it. >> reporter: the engineer has about 15 years of experience and he as nyjer coming around that turn has to make a dramatic slowdown from 70 to 35. he said when he hit the brakes they didn't work. the ntsb will be evaluating the black boxes and whether anybody applied the brakes. that should give them a sense of what happened. it will be a very difficult week for commuters on the hudson line. they are being told yonkers to get out, shuttle buses to get down and pick the train up later. a slow go. give yourselves an hour to 90 minutes if you're on the hudson line to get into work. >> tom costello, thank you. we're looking at live pictures from a local chopper.

>> there's something about this, mika. >> everybody asking the same questions. >> airplane safety in america is extraordinary. but you're not quite surprised, you know, sometimes when the plane crashes. there's so many variables going on. but here, these derailments, the second, third on metro north. it's insanity they can't keep the trains on the tracks. >> you have reports that the tracks aren't updated. and they are not meeting safety standards. i'm not sure where all of our transportation dollars went and what's going on with these companies when you look at other countries but how does this happen? i know it sounds really quite frankly monday morning quarterbacking, but god how does this happen at this point. >> you look around, willie, new

york city and we don't know right now what caused the wreck but we're consumers of new york city airport, we're consumers of new york city roads, we're consumers of new york city area trains and this really is some of the most battered, beaten up, crappie infrastructure in the nation. it's getting in and out of new york city is one thing i hate about this city. i love manhattan. but god -- >> it's a nightmare. we're a third world country in manhattan. a third world country when it comes to transportation. >> they are working on the airports. those are slowly but surely getting better. but i ride the subway home from work and sometimes you stand on the platforms and look at the tracks an look what's holding up the entire station you go oh, my god that's a relic.

that turn, that speed in that turn. they have been making that turn for decades and decades. there was an accident in july with a freight train around that same spot. obviously something went very wrong there yesterday. >> one of the four fatalities hits close to home mother. jim l oemovell has worked at th "today" show for 20 years and leaves behind a wife and children. just taking the train from poughkeepsie to grand central. on thanksgiving weekend. >> it is terrible. i'll tell you something else that we've heard too, distracted conductors. that are on their iphones. that happened in spain. they aren't paying attention, going too fast. >> let's turn now washington.

white house officials have announced they have met their deadline and that was one of the big questions here for improving healthercare.gov saying it will work smoothly for the vast majority of users. the sites repair team made more than 400 technical fixes and say the website can host up to 50,000 people at the same time. the obama administration also says the site is stable. more than 90% of the time. however, according to providers healthercare.gov is far from perfect. the "new york times" reporting insurance companies are not still receiving all the information about the individuals who sign up for coverage through the exchanges creating a logistical nightmare for insurers. former adviser to obama care said obama care will be viewed as a success even if it doesn't happen until after the president is out of office. >> this program was designed to be implemented by the states and in most of the states it's going

quite well. medicaid extension. it's a fact. it may take until 2017 when this president leaves office you'll see almost every state in this country running their own exchanges and expanding medicaid. let's fast forward the state of the union. health care working better. people signing up. no washington shutdowns. i think the president's numbers will recover and people's confidence will recover. >> on "meet the press" chuck todd pointed out an interesting tidbit. >> the team is operating with proift sector velocity and effectiveness. that's an acknowledgement that if this was a government operation for a long time and failed now we're bringing in private-sector folks that's an indictment on the whole idea of government as a solution frankly. >> mark, one of the most interesting things and most disturbing as you look at how the administration handled this was the fact that they weren't

ready to go. they knew this was coming for a couple of years. interesting exchange back and forth on kathleen sebelius's response to the chief of staff having a countdown clock and then basically rolling their eyes oh, boy micromanaging. which really seems to put emphasis more on kathleen sebelius not only was she not ready but she was resentful of people that were suggesting that she be focused on the launch date. >> pretty good reporting over the weekend. there will be more to come. they face a challenge. anyone who runs a website that's trying to get attention and traffic knows you have a problem, match-up capacity with people's interest. as they start to do better more people will come to the site even may overwhelm it. "new york times" talking about how insurers are not getting the back end insurance.

people think they signed up for the plan. they got to get that last bit done. >> a lot of uncertainty. >> people think they have insurance. >> not good for consumers. >> again, they say now they can handle 50,000 at a time but if people start coming they need to keep the capacity growing to match up because -- >> they just stopped at 50 and won't fix it any more i'm sure. >> i have insurance. >> insurers said it's frustrating. >> insurers have been so helpful in this process too. i'm surprised they are not happy. the obama administration better not take that attitude because the insurance companies hold the key to success. this is the theater of utterly absurd. now some more people can get on

that could get on when we launched our achiefment but not as many that can buy a kindle on cyber morning. you can type in your information. your kid is sick tomorrow, take him to the doctor, i'm sorry we don't know who you are. >> is that a fair assessment of how it's working right now, nicole's depiction? >> no, you would buy insurance and have at any time next day. obviously the most important thing is that the website has improved vastly from where it was two months ago and quite frankly where it is now is probably where it should have been two months before it launched. we're in a critical period because december 1st through, a three week period of time, if you're changing insurance and you want insurance by the beginning of january you need to

be signed up in this period. so it's crucial. there's no doubt, those that the back end systems will continue to be a great concern. there's payment mechanisms for subsidies that i think the technical guys have said at hhs haven't even been built yet. we'll focus less on user experience because it will improve and turn our eye to watching whether or not that back end 8:34 form, those back end mechanisms make sure the insurance companies get what they need. i think the website has passed this momentary deadline but no doubt in order for any of this to function properly other the next four months, you got to continue to improve the site. >> ramp up. >> seriously, how crazy, to any cole he's point, hey the website is working well.

>> robert made a better point than i did. >> it's a hollywood facade. you push the wall over and there's not actually a saloon behind it. >> fake town. >> we made it took good. david's assessment? i don't think we get 2017 without this getting radically altered. my gosh. david plouff saying this thing is going swimmingly well? >> robert, do you think that the white house is being as forthcoming -- >> hold it a second. can we get some video to cover that auburn shirt. >> more of the skin tone with the orange. >> stop that. not that video!

>> what's working and what's not? >> i think, you know, the notion that it works for a vast majority of users, obviously, is as many have pointed out an arbitrary measure. we don't know the exact number. it is clear from reporting that people are having a better user experience. again, i think the pressure now will be on the administration to be more forthcoming about what's happening on the back end and whether insurance companies are getting the information. nicole is absolutely correct that, you know, this has to work for both the administration and insurance companies and the administration has to work with those insurance companies to ensure that information is being transmitted correctly not duplicatively, not leaving out critical information so when you hit buy or purchase on the website you're actually enrolling in the insurance and the insurance company can't as

they said in the "new york times" they can't enroll you in a policy you didn't enroll in. >> coming up on "morning joe" former transportation sect ray lahood and former pennsylvania governor ed rendell and david finkel. up next the top stories in the political playbook. first bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> good morning on this day after our holiday weekend. things have warmed up on the east coast but if you're in the middle of the country this is a difficult week four. changes are going to happen quick. let's start with the temperatures because we are pretty mild. pretty much coast-to-coast. up in canada a big pool of cold air spilling southward during the middle of the week. major arctic and outbreak and a major storm.

fog out there. warm air on the east coast causing fog. here's the snow totals. next 48 hours northern portions of the country, also northern rockies, ski resorts of colorado and utah, white gold for you this time of the year. today's forecast, again, not too many travel troubles today but look what happens in denver. we go from 64 today to a snow event and high temperature of 8 on thursday. that cold air will spread to dallas, chicago all the way through areas in the central plains this week. on this monday you're watching "morning joe." so i c

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let's take a look now at the morning papers. our first paper takes us overseas from the globe and mail, violent crash in ukraine's capital city of i ckiev. protests began after ukraine's president refused to sign a trade agreement with the european union. they say a political victory for vladimir putin. also overseas anti-government protests in thailand have left three dead and hundreds injured as the crisis deepens in one of the southeast asia's largest economies. demonstrators are looking to topple the government and the current prime minister after accusations of corruption and abuse of power. the u.n. has closed its offices in bangkok warning foreign travellers to stay out of the streets. >> afghanistan president karzai

is accusing the u.s. of holding back fuel and other supplies. he said they are holding back supplies in an attempt to pressure for him to sign the agreement. >> from the "los angeles times" officials say speed may have been a factor in the crash that killed actor paul walker and his friend over the weekend. according to police the "fast and furious" star left a charity event. witnesses at the event said they heard a loud boom and saw smoke. walker was in the middle of gaming "fast and furious 7." walker leaves behind a 15-year-old daughter. he was 40 years old.

>> really. isn't that bizarre? came from a charity event and he gets in one of the cars and the guy drives off with him -- >> he was the passenger in the car. >> passenger in the car and runs into a pole and blows up. >> yeah. the pictures of the scene afterward you can hardly make out it was a car. i never met him but he was a very kind, generous, humble guy. awful tragedy. >> "wall street journal," black friday deelts and early opening hours on thanksgiving weren't enough to convince shoppers to spend more as weekend data is showing consumers spent $1.7 billion less than last year. 45 million people went shopping on thanksgiving day a 27% increase but came at the expense of black friday sales. retail groups are attributing the decline to a slumping economy and boy, that's not a good sign. willie geist, though, i would

like you to read the next item because this, i believe, may just -- you know what? all those lonely saturday nights, they are over for me. i'm going to have them filled with drones flying overhead and visit from the amazon guys. >> visit from the drones. >> only women can make that up. >> it came out on "60 minutes" the term drone strike soon can take on a whole new meaning. jeff bezos says they are using drones. >> this is -- >> these are octocopters. they are drones but they can be used as delivery vehicles. take a look. we're talking about delivery. so there's and i temple going into the vehicle. i know this looks like science-fiction. it's not. >> wow. >> this is early.

this is still years away. drops the package. >> there's the package. >> you get your package. we can do half hour delivery. designee said years away but he went on to say maybe four or five. he said the plan is not practical and wouldn't work for all items. >> he's one of the new tech geniuses. i got to say, this is a good indication that this guy, just like steve jobs before him, dropping a lot of acid. dropping a lot of acid because that will never happen. >> you have a tremendous tree line here. i can't quite get the drone in. what about a parking lot. >> how do you get it to -- >> does not happen. >> weekly reader things there will be flying cars by the end of the century. >> are you still reading "weekly reader." >> i still read "weekly reader." >> amazon is amazing.

>> how do you do it in a city. >> dropped to your whole building. >> they are amazon. >> they can do anything. >> they can do everything. order diapers and they are there by dinner time. >> they can be here before you get off the set. >> i often am sitting here ordering things on my phone and they are there by the end of the day. >> i do all time on amazon. it's amazing how efficient it is. you know, it is crazy that this, we just saw this. a couple of weeks ago i was driving home and i actually visiting a friend in connecticut. and i'm driving. and i saw coming on the side street i saw an old postal service truck and i sat there thinking very picturesque, this looks like a scene out of the

'50s or '60s and ten years from now we won't see those trucks any more. how will they figure it out? they will figure out, unfortunately, how to deliver everything to us without us having to leaf our house. >> they won't need people any more. >> no, they won't. it causes a real challenge for the economy. that's why the mail service is losing so much money. >> nicole can tell you if you have a baby or little kids you go to diapers.com it's there. you need diapers or formula it arrives hours later. tonight there the same day many times. diapers, wipes. >> the same day? >> the same day. >> hours later. imagine that. >> do i get diapers? i don't wear diapers. i'm potty trained. >> adorable.

>> it's a big day. >> big mogul now. >> he's a mogul. >> we're developing a drone. i won't tell you what it is. >> you got a big thing tomorrow. >> you're launching. tomorrow? >> i know you're going to be there. we have capital playbook. >> you'll get it. >> i don't get it. >> i want it too. >> we got a couple of things to talk about. i want to ask you about the big front page politico piece. the paper tiger. glenn thrush's piece. >> glenn has been looking at the weakness of the obama cabinet. there's frustration in the cabinet and on capitol hill. they are putting a republican in

the cabinet. a defense secretary. and people feel sees disappointed folks and at a time how he'll define how to be his defense secretary. he's leading the department in a period of entrenchment. does he fight those? does he go along with the white house in trying to trim spending as much as obama would like. it's interesting to see how much frustration there is in the cabinet not just hagel, but also sebelius. one of the reasons when you have these incidents like you do with the health care system -- >> why is general frustration. inside the white house do they think they are incompetent. >> they are not living up to standards with hagel. he's kind of lackluster when they thought he would come in there and be much more forceful. >> why did they think that? if they asked anyone in his own party who was a republican for

many years, maybe still is, if they watched his confirmation hearings there were signs that perhaps he wasn't -- >> lots of signs. >> up for it. >> you get into this rush, one you want to get a republican in your cabinet, to say we have diversity of ideology. everything you're seeing with chuck hagel frustrations expressed in that piece any republican that worked with him could have said these are the frustrations you're going to have. like some of the health care stuff. >> what about sebelius? sebelius resenting dennis mcdonough for having a countdown clock to say this much time until the most important initiative of our presidency is launched. she was resentful of that. >> there's a great paragraph nude the "new york times" piece we're basically mocking him, hhs officials mock being him for microunanimous magazining in his

style. it turns out the white house needed to do more micromanagi micromanaginging. when you centralize everything and you're juggling six or seven things bad things happen. this is a perfect illustration. what happened you needed an a plus team from top to bottom to execute -- >> the roll out was bad. has anyone been removed from their position? >> nobody has been removed yet and i don't know that anyone will. what you hear from the white house, listen you want us to fire the people that were involved in this right when we're trying to fix this? >> they need those people around. >> do they make changes later? they might around the edges. you won't see any high-profile dismissals. most of the stuff is cooked in. you can't change your cabinet, you can't change your approach,

you can't haechange the mechani. >> you certainly can change the cabinet. you are the president of the united states. the president can do whatever he wants. if he decides it's in tint of the country and his administration. >> the president can also bring in somebody to oversee health care. >> or maybe he shouldn't have put the government in charge. >> i totally agree. how damning what chuck said. that's what we conservatives have been saying all along. the government can't run something this big this effectively. they were too ambitious. i keep going back to david ignatius. policy wise. they tackled more than they could handle. we see this playing out. they say we're fixing the website but oh, by the way the back end of it is not working. you can sign up and sign your entire family up. the insurance company is not getting the info. >> that's the quandry for the

white house. this will go on for years every single hiccup is amplified as a big structural problem. a lot of them are structural. you're talking about, if you have the back end and it's not working but i still can't get insurance or massive confusion about what type of coverage i have, that's not vick together, it's a different kind of defeat. >> congratulations on the launch. >> by the way, willie we have robert gibbs wearing the ugly jersey. at some point before the end of this hour we need to get robert to respond to all of this. we have to go to break. >> we want to talk about this, updated bcs -- >> no. who is on top and where exactly auburn and alabama fit into that mix. "morning joe" sports is next. i'm beth...

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56 yarder. it does not have the legs. chris davis takes it in the back of the end zone. 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50 -- there goes davis! oh, my god davis is running all the way back.

auburn will win the football game! auburn will win the football game! he ran it back! >> that's auburn radio network with the call with the most incredible finish to a college football game of all time. auburn beating alabama in shocking, shocking fashion. major shake up in the bcs standings. florida state and ohio state, top two teams in the country. alabama fell to number four after the class to auburn. auburn is number three. missouri is behind alabama at number five. >> who can count that high. >> florida state is in. >> unless their quarterback is convicted or not convicted -- >> they are in. only hope is for ohio state to lose on saturday to michigan state. >> you look at ohio state having problems against a team that's

3-5 in the p.a.c., big ten. michigan. those teams are not good. >> it's sad. >> it's a neutral site. >> in indianapolis. >> michigan has a great defense. going back to auburn-alabama game. nick sabin won all those college championships but going down on a fourth goal -- there was a short field goal. >> unbelievable. that play at the end trying to kick a 57 yard field goal. punted, you pin him down, 30 seconds left. that offense -- >> actually never practiced against a return. ever. in all the practices they had never practiced that situation. >> really? >> it showed ever. >> it did. i'm telling you, the auburn coach stunning run. >> yeah. >> on fourth. it was a jv play.

if it was a jv play a coach would have gone 4-2 he would have been fired. sabin runs the ball up the middle instead of kicking a field goal and putting it out of reach. auburn extraordinary win for them. i will say we work really hard to lose that game. >> you missed three field goals. went for it on fourth and that play the end. >> any given saturday. >> take us inside that stadium because will forget that last play was the play of the century. before that mccarren throws a 99-yard touchdown. there were three incredible place in a row. >> last ten minutes of that game lasted six hours. right before the play the 99 1/2-yard throw the guy behind me says watching the long ball. the place was completely deflated. at the end of that game,

obviously no one has seen a play quite like that. that place was, was literally -- it was unreal. we were all sitting there stunned seeing it with our own eyes and simply not believing it. simply not believing it. joe, i'll resist the temptation to make a joke that people from alabama can't count as high as four. university of alabama, i should say. >> why should we? every year we only need to count to number one. it's a long way off. >> that's a good thing for alabama. >> get to number one. let me know how it feels. we're bored with it. >> it's amazing loss. >> great game. you know what? i'm so excited for kids like robert's son. people don't understand the iron ball in alabama history. i promise you, i remember like

it was yesterday. van tiffen kicking in 1985. >> only thing i could think of when he's lining up for that 57 yard. i've seen it before. it was awful. literally the most stunning end to probably the biggest, most important game in that series in terms of how the two teams came in and ranked. >> it was. robert's son -- everybody in that stadium will remember that. >> it was the talk at the jets game. suzanne johnson made the best point. it's the message here it's never over. >> never over. >> in life too. it's never over. literally, one second. >> you want some entertainment go on youtube and watch people being filmed and reacting. >> extraordinary respect for nick sabin.

he's really tired. he's really tired. his wife said last week basically they weren't appreciated at alabama enough which seemed to me he's like a god there. but the pressure, friends close to him tell me even last year they said the pressure to win every single week, the expectations are so high, nobody understands like -- they just work -- i don't know how much longer he'll be at alabama. he's really, really tired. >> they will win the sugar bowl and 12-1 and people will say too bad what happened. >> there's talk we're playing auburn. i pray we do. >> coming up next, radio host steve malzberg. this is the quicksilver cash back card from capital one.

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steve malzberg. obama care mission accomplished. by the paper's editorial board. if the miracle fix is real, the white house will open the obama care black box to an independent audit or maybe start by answering questions honestly. the mission accomplished posed is another attempt to power through a political deadline. americans who have now administered the administrati administration's plan. >> so, you know, typical of this whole disaster, people -- it's worse than not being able to sign up. if you're signing up, you go to the doctor and they say who are you? nobody is addressing this. >> are you saying people are being left without insurance and being duped into fake policies? >> no.

>> i'm not saying that. we're saying it should work. that to be describing it as repaired and fixed when people are signing up for something that they still do not have. >> they are not getting duped. it's incompetence on the part of the website. it's not working. >> what the president wanted to do with obama care is a great goal have people secure and confident. we're in a period for a lot of consumers of great uncertainty. the press conference -- >> greater? >> the briefing yesterday was not reassuring to a lot of people. it's great to say you can get on the website but you need to be able to get insurance. >> steve, i draw parallels for the first time here. every time there's a wall street crash that's a knock on us. like wall street malfeasance. people turn to conservatives. wait mr. anti-regulation you're going well they got a good point we need some regulation. in this case the tables are

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>> yeah. i'll do that. you'll do that. that will be interesting. will you wear the t-shirt i gave you? >> on the big deal? >> they were so unfunny, though. >> they were awkward. >> that's the whole idea. >> that's what he is. he is them. >> yeah. >> that's great. that's what's so great. welcome back to "morning joe." nicole wallace and steve malzberg are still with us along with robert gibbs. boy that hurts. >> it's adorable. >> joining the table former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst steve rattner and in philadelphia former governor of pennsylvania, mr. infrastructure, nbc news political analyst ed rendell. good day to have you on. >> let's do this story and then

i want to do infrastructure investment. i believe like ike if you do it right you can make a huge difference in this country. it's been done wrong for so long. new york city, we were talking about this here in new york. you go around this city, i love manhattan. i love where i live outside of manhattan. it's great. but man the infrastructure here is a third world country. >> in many respects it is. you know what the most dangerous thing is? these bicycle people, see these bicycle people, bloomberg gave them bicycles, no helmet, they don't know how to ride, they ride against traffic and waiting to get hit. >> rickshaws, horses. i got in a cab the other day and he said it's unbelievable i'm in new york city i feel i'm in my own country. bloomberg allows rickshaws and

horse carriages. >> the bicycles and rickshaws have a purpose. >> we're going to debate, actually -- >> the question the people are asking this morning is what is the deal with metro north. what's going on. stretches of new york's commute rail line closed after a deadly train crash over the weekend. four people were killed. more than 60 injured. 11 in critical condition. early morning metro north commuter train traveling south from poughkeepsie to grand central station derailed in the bronx. 100 people on the seven cars. it came to a violent stop just short of a nearby river. the train was only about 12 miles from its destination and many were dozing off when the cars tumbled off tracks. nbc's tom costello has more. >> reporter: early sunday morning a massive emergency response in new york. a twisted and broken metro north train on interests side after

crashing to a sudden violent stop. passengers said it all happened in a blink. >> we were going fast and as it hit the curve it was flying. >> there was screaming and people crying out god and asking for their families. it was pretty gruesome. trip to train left poughkeepsie, new york at 5:54, bound for central station in manhattan. less than 20 minutes from its final destination it went off the tracks in the bronx alongside the hudson river. seven cars derailed. dan cohen's apartment is above the crash. he took these first images. >> it sound like a plane crash that kept going on and on. you know, that buckling sound of the train cars hitting each other. it lasted for about ten seconds. >> reporter: arriving firefighters found three victims had been thrown from the cars. >> we had evidence of people under a couple of cars. so we actually used air bags to lift the car. the air bags can lift tremendous weight. >> reporter: in all four dead,

63 injured. already the governor has said early evidence suggest trains may have been traveling much too fast. coming in to the spuyten duyvil station the train makes this 90 degree turn. in this case the passenger cars went off the tracks and towards the harlem river. since speed was a factor the question is why. >> we don't know what the train speed was. we'll learn that from the vehicle event recorders. and incidentally we have recovered the recorder. >> reporter: there's been trouble before. in july a northbound freight train derailed near the same curve. last month ntsb raised concern about track maintenance. investigators will look at whether the crew was paying attention. recent fatal accidents in california and spain were tied to speed and distracted train operators who were texting. >> they will take a tox test of the crew immediately following the accident. they will look into their rest

periods for the previous 72 hours. fatigue is a critical issue in transportation. >> there's no reason why people coming home from a holiday should be dead. it just is no reason for it. >> ed rendell you talk about transportation and awful lot. you talk about infrastructure an awful lot. we've been complaining about how bad it is around new york city. what gives? >> well, first of all, it's bad but consider the fact that mike bloomberg has invested five times more infrastructure than three or four mayors preceding him and it's still bad. the country needs and you guys hit it on nail. we need to spend significantly more, the cbo said we could spend $180 million more and be justified and have social benefits and add up financial lir. not only to spend more money but we need to plan. we need to decide what our priorities are. i was in japan two weeks ago and i rode the train.

joe it goes 315 miles per hour and governor pataki and i were on the advisory board. we stood up, took out a pad and wrote on the pad without the slightest bit of jarring. >> this is what's so frustrating. 2009 the president and congress pass the largest spending bill in the history of this country. we heard about all these shovel ready projects. then we find out from the president a year or two later that there actually weren't shovel ready projects. if you're a new york resident, and you hear about infrastructure problems, you're going to say wait a second i'm paying higher taxes than anybody in the country other than california. this is like education, this is like health care. it's not that we don't spend enough money because we spend more money per pupil and per patient than any other country on the planet and we spend a lot of money on transportation. why aren't we getting the transportation we deserve from

our government? >> well, first of all, joe, stimulus failed for two reasons. one, the percentage of money on stimulus and steve can give you the exact percentage it was very low. barbara boxer and jim inhofe tried to triple the money spent on stimulus and it was beaten back. secondly it was a two year program. you can't repair the infrastructure by patching it up for a year or two. we need a ten year infrastructure revilization program. if we did it and did i want at the right levels we could create four to five million well paying american jobs that couldn't be outsourced. we could bring back american manufacturing. there's some things that could be done by an infrastructure investment program but it can't to be done -- >> we just throw money away. this isn't about money. this is how we spend the money. we have the most inefficient funding mechanisms for

transportation in the world. we got off-ramps to nowhere within west virginia. we have bridges to nowhere in alaska. this has nothing to do with more money. this has something to do with the federal government not being able to handle this any more than they can hand all website. >> i think it has to do with both. you're completely right. there are bridges to nowhere, off-ramps to nowhere. but the overarching picture is we've cut spending on infrastructure roughly in half. >> cut spending, cut the increase on spending. let's not play with words. >> let me finish my sentence. we cut spending on infrastructure as a percent of gdp which in my view is the right way to measure. how much of your resource do you spend on infrastructure. you cut it in half. if you look at the budget proposals frankly coming from the republicans they would cut

it by more. if you look at spending on infrastructure for state and local level and in dollars, adjusted for inflation, it's gone down from $30 billion to roughly $20 billion over the last two years. states are hurting they are cutting back on this stuff. >> joe, with all due respect to the governor when you look at why the stimulus failed, when you look at where the money went, and you look at the boondoggle it was, there were signs created. this sign cost $25,000. no jobs were created. cronyism runs rampant in they stimulus plans and people get fed up with this. >> pennsylvania, we got a billion dollars for roads and bridges in pennsylvania and i track it because i was interested to see whether the federal dot figure the 25,000 jobs for every $1 billion infrastructure spending. we not only tracked the jobs on the construction site but the jobs back to the manufacturers that were added for that $1 billion we added 24,732 jobs.

so it does pay jobs. >> how about the jobs overseas that were created through the stimulus. >> i agree with you. there were problems there. just because there were problems it doesn't mean you don't do it right. steve is absolutely correct. you go back to dwight eisenhower days and the percentage of gdp that we're spending on infrastructure is embarrassing. our vehicular traffic on our highways has increased in the last 30 years by 104%. our lane miles have increased by 4%. >> nicole, here's the problem. and we talk about the president's failed launch of the website. we talk about -- we were talking about this before, people don't have faith in the federal government. i mean how many people in new york state who were spending 50% of everything that they make in taxes, say hey listen, i would be willing to spend another 5% more to make the trains and bridges and airports better. who trusts government any more to do that?

>> listen, my question for the group as a whole is everyone who has read about these incredibly hi-tech high-speed trains in europe and asia, it's not like they haven't been proposed in florida. there was a proposal for a high-speed train. but in this country is there an appetite, because joe said is the problem we don't throw enough money. your points about percentage of gdp. we're spending more and more money on ballooning entitlements. we spend plenty of money on infrastructure. if you drive from new york to maine you can see how different states manage their infrastructure dollars differently by when the potholes end and start up again. >> one they are thing about percentage of gdp. dwight eisenhower didn't have made care and medicaid take up the budget. all of the percentages are going to be declining including

defense. >> i agree with that point. absolutely. medicare has squeezed out spending on infrastructure. we need to do something about that. medicare is important. so is infrastructure. let me say one quick word on high-speed trains. high-speed trains in this country outside of the northeast corridor, a few other places are crazy. the idea that you're going to put somebody in a high-speed training from sarasota, florida to orlando, florida, and dump then at places that are not relevant to where they are going, nowhere near disney world, without a car how do you get around. our country is built differently. our cities are not closely tied together. i'm all for infrastructure but let's not get off on high-speed trains. >> get that one. let's move on to one other thing that you say is not working but apparently the white house say it's a lot closer. white house officials announced they met their deadline for improving healthercare.gov saying it will work smoothly for

the vast majority of users. the site's repair team made more than 400 technical fixes and say the website can host up to 50,000 people at the same time. the obama administration also says the site is stable more than 90% of the time. however, according to providers, healthercare.gov is far from perfect. the "new york times" reporting insurance companies are still not receiving all the information about the individuals who signed up for coverage through the exchanges creating a logistical nightmare for insurers. former adviser to president obama insists obama care will be viewed as a success even if it doesn't happen until after the president is out of office. >> this program was designed to be implemented by the states and in most of the states that's running their exchanges it's going quite well. you talk about medicaid extension. it's a fact and it may take 2017 when this president leaves office you'll see almost every state in this country running

their own exchanges and expanding medicaid. let's fast forward to the state of the union, months afterwards. economy continuing to strengthen. i think the president's numbers will recover and people's confidence will recover. >> then, of course, chuck todd had that great point -- >> that was a good point. >> do we have that clip? here's what chuck todd had to say on "meet the press." he pointed out a freudian slip? >> he made a great point. >> watch this, chuck todd. >> page three of the report it says here that the team is operating with private-sector velocity and effectiveness. okay. that is an acknowledgement that, you know what? if this was a government operation for at that long time and it failed now we're bringing in the private-sector folks. that's an indictment on the whole idea of government as a solution, frankly. >> i'm sorry, i was going to tell robert gibbs that's the first time i've laughed since

saturday night. >> private-sector velocity. i have to use that as a descriptive term in the future. they did bring in a lot of people from the private-sector to help fix the problems that we do know, robert. >> absolutely. look, you know the people that build websites the best, bringing those folks in and understanding how the architecture of a website works, how you support the vast number of users, obviously that you want and we've seen the demand is high for the product, you have to have an infrastructure as we're talking about here, an architecture digitally to support all of those people coming. obviously it was way too late to get those in for october, what should have bean smoother launch in october. >> ed rendell, you're a strong leader whether people agree with every position you take or not. you were a strong mayor. you were a strong governor. you would never let something happen like this on your watch.

it's shocking that dennis mcdonough has a countdown clock trying to basically push hhs to be ready for this thing and kathleen sebelius and everybody else is complaining about it. she made fun of him. let's be honest here, okay. put on your analyst cap and not your former dnc chairman cap. be honest here. is this perhaps one of the greatest failings of a democratic president that you've ever swheeen when it comes to mismanagement. >> there was terrible mismanagement. but if it was my program i would have been testing it six months out every week i would have been running tests and the tests would have been run in front of me. but having said that -- >> could we stop for a second, that's the truth. if ed rendell walked into the room or any strong leader

everyone would have been on guard. i remember people talking about jeb. they were afraid to walk into cabinet meetings because they knew jeb knew more than they did. >> he returned press calls before his press office. he answered policy questions before his cabinet. i remember him taking this kind of interest in the minutia of the state storm response and you saw when the hurricanes that so battered louisiana swept through florida jeb's micromanagement of every detail of the emergency response paid off. >> let me finish. >> but having said that, i do believe david plouff is right to one degree. i agree with you, joe, there will be some changes. the tale of the tape won't be known for a couple of years. i think there's still a chance for this to achieve its basic goal. there's still a chance to achieve a basic goal which is to

drive down the health care curve and also to insure over 30 million people. it's laudible goals. should there be reform? sure. the president and congress should sit down and do it in a bipartisan way. >> how they are is going to run in '16 and '14 there's a chance this might work. >> republican talking point on the health care. don't republicans and i'm hearing more and more republican governors and leaders, eric cantor said this, more republicans said we need an alternative. if we want to make a difference, we have to have -- >> i've been pushing every guest i speak with why don't you pass one sheet of paper, keep the pre-existing conditions, the doughnut hole the five most popular things and pass it. take the other 1800 pages and throw it out and keep the good

points. >> guys that wouldn't work because it would drive the insurance companies out of business. >> yeah. >> come on. >> you can't pick out the stuff you like. remember also the fundamental point of president obama's health care plan was to bring 30 million uninsured people on to the roles. nothing on that one sheet of paper you're waving around that will do it. >> do i want to say on that point the thing is you can take what works, what's popular from obama care and then you can put a different system around that. >> right. >> wait. >> the point is, guys, the point is we don't think this is working. and we should have an alternative to obama care that works. >> you should have an alternative that works and that want meets its goals. >> there's a lot of happy talk about well pre-existing conditions and pick the goodies off the shelf and leave the

stuff that will make lives of people at the bottom of the ladder better. can i say two things. one getting back to the private-sector. if this was done in the private-sector people who have been fired. that's another important difference the way this is handled and the private-sector. secondly the next big test of obama care is not this website. it will get fixed. the next test is 7 million people signed up by the end of march. that's what we should be watching. >> it's not going to be happening. >> it's very hard. >> that's your way of saying it won't happen. >> i don't want to -- >> how do people get access to health care. it's not just republicans who didn't have an alternative but the insurance companies are another part of this to deal with that it's proved difficult. >> obama needs the insurance companies. >> it's a captive audience. >> he created a monopoly here. how far to go to insurance

companies now. >> but there's competition among them through these exchanges to bring down prices. >> ed rendell, steve malzberg thank you very much. robert gibbs thank you as well. please go change. >> if i were you, man, i would be wearing this all week. >> i'm not going wash it. congratulations to gus and that great auburn team. >> okay. >> i'm envisioning you walking down the street wearing that. >> mika, i'm send ug one this afternoon. >> wear it tomorrow. >> thank you. >> steve, stay with us. >> coming up recent politico piece serving as cabinet secretary, worst job in barack obama's washington. more "morning joe" when we

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station in new york city. all eyes on the morning commute in the big apple this morning after a deadly train derailment in yonkers, new york. from peoria, illinois, we have the former u.s. transportation secretary, ray lahood. ray, good day to have you on. thank you for being on the show this morning. >> ray, what's going on here in this metro north line. this is the second -- >> when were your first thoughts. >> what's wrong with our train system in new york? >> well, sear thing that's wrong with all of our infrastructure in america, joe and mika, we haven't made investments. we tried for 4 1/2 years to put out some big bold plans but the

problem is we're not first in infrastructure any more. we're 14th in the world and at one time we were first in infrastructure. even in very bad times we were building the golden state bridge, the hoover dam, the interstate system, our freight rail system and we just have not made the investments. and it's going to be up to congress, it's going to be up to the administration, it's going to be up to the people to decide that they are sick and tired of driving on crumbling roads, driving on bad bridges, dangerous bridge, and driving and riding on 50-year-old transit systems that are in very bad need of repair for tracks, for new cars, and for new infrastructure. >> ray, i mean 50-year-old transit systems, tracks apparently didn't even meet 2008 safety standards. and i probably sound, i'm not even sure this is a legitimate question but i'll ask you.

why is it that we can't control the speed of these trains, if speed was a factor. >> well, the truth is that we can and there are some very tough safety standards that have to be met and that are set by the u.s. d.o.t. and, obviously the investigation will determine if, you know, if the person that was driving the train was going too fast or was distracted by some other device or exactly what happened and we'll have to wait until the investigation. but, what you all are doing is focusing on what we need to focus on. america needs to invest in its infrastructure. america needs to get back to being number one. america needs to make the investments. in states where they've made the investments, they have good infrastructure. and that's where people have voted for referendums -- people

in washington are afraid to make these kind of investments and we just haven't been doing it. >> certainly, we've had tens of thousands of men and women, brian shactman, building roads elsewhere, creating infrastructure elsewhere. >> it's sort of the question because, you know, when it comes to washington, d.c. the culture of deferral, a perfect example how the recovery act -- i don't know if you were able to hear the conversation with governor rendell, mr. lahood, but how do you change the culture in washington, d.c. to get more of a long term view. we talk about every issue kicking the can, the recovery act we could have spontaneity lot of money to do what you're talking about but we did not. how does the culture change >> well, brian, look. we spent of the 800 billion in the economic recovery plan we got 48 billion. we spent 48 billion in two years, we put 65,000 people to work in 15,000 projects. >> i'll push back a little bit.

the shovel ready thing was questionable because i saw parts of the northeast just a lot of repaved roads not new project, not transformational projects. it got people to work but it didn't change any of the elemental stuff that we need fixed. >> look, brian, i don't disagree with that. we followed the law. the law said spend the money in two years. get the money out the door. put people to work. so we used our good partnerships with governors and others to fix up some roads and fix up some bridges, and, you know, really do what we could and people were put to work over that two year period. should it have been more money? of course. rather than 48 billion it should have been 480 billion. every member of congress said that later on when they figured it out that it just wasn't enough money. but if you look at states that have made the commitment and passed referendums, the people are way ahead of the politicians

on this. they know that their roads are crumbling, they know their bridges are unsafe, they know their ran the set up systems need new infrastructure whether it's track or new cars, and in many states they pass referendums and increase the sales tax and use the money to fix up infrastructure. that's the message that has to be delivered to washington, d.c. and, you know, this idea that, you know, we can't be number one again is nonsense. we need to leadership of people to step up and say we got make the investments, and spend the money correctly. put friends and neighbors to work and let's make america number one in infrastructure again. >> ray lahood, thank you for being on the show this morning. good to see you. coming up, bill karins with a check on some dramatic changes coming to the forecast. "morning joe" will be right back. before using her new bank of america credit card, which rewards her for responsibly managing

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of people, the brainstorming how do we get people into the mood of this season which is, you know, after all this empty feeling of shopping and black friday and cyber monday they said let's feel good about ourselves. let's go to giving tuesday immediately after those two days. the unselfie -- >> i love it. >> you put a picture up of yourself with your own giving pledge. what you do this giving season to make the world a better place. >> i have never seen -- i have teenagers, there are more selfies taken in the course of an hour than i can -- they selfie everything. >> they do. >> the car. i'm in the store. i'm in the kitchen. look. i'm cute. >> yes. it's unselfie, doing something -- tweet that and spread the word. >> this is your thing on a number of levels. you're the author of

"philanthropy capitalism, how giving can save the world." >> a whole team that launched giving tuesday last year. to really spread the word that giving season needs an opening day to get everyone focused. what do they care about. how do they give effectively. how do we motivate people after the thanksgiving holiday to get out and give in a way. we found last year that on the day, on giving tuesday the first time we raised online giving by 50% on the day. but also had much more in depth relationships between charities and organizations and the people that support them and really helped to have a good conversation. this year we got 8,000 organizations signed up across america. compared to 2,000 last year. we think it will be big. >> philanthropy, own though it's not what we like to be it's embedded more in this country than a lot of developed countries. are you thinking about bringing

this outside of the u.s. >> one of those things about giving tuesday this is a way to celebrate one part of america that work well and still is a role model for the rest of the year. actually giving tuesday will happen in awe australia, canada, britain it's not happening. but hopefully happening soon. it's a great message to the world. as you get more prosperous as a country one way you can celebrate that wealth is to give back. it's something everyone can do whether it's money or volunteering. >> on the subject of money and consumerism, you know what i think will help overall in such a huge transformational way is the new pope. even lately he's been talking about sort of the dangers of consumerism. hedonism and materialism. identify never heard a pope that i can remember really take on so

strongly these issues. >> that's why he does seem to be a better voice for this period where basically people are making a sense with all the money they are creating. how we make that into a better world. giving tuesday is in that spirit. >> we want to make a turn now. we'll be joined by governor andrew cuomo of new york. he's here with an update on yesterday's deadly train derailment. governor cuomo can you give us the latest on the situation there and big picture state of metro north, the state of the tracks going in and out of new york city, what are your thoughts this morning and what needs to be done? >> good morning, mika. well, we're putting the trains back on track literally, the trains that were off track are being put on track. the ntsb has started an investigation last night. they recovered what's called the black boxes from the trains, the way there's a black box in an airplane, the train will have a black box which gives data on

the speed of the train, any possible equipment failures which have been rumored. and the conduct of the operator. if there are any lessons to learn from this tragedy, obviously, we want to learn them. and that will be from the ntsb investigation. >> give us a sense of safety standards. i take it you're looking into whether metro north was up to par. i'm hearing all sorts of things tracks being pulled off the concrete off to the side because the impact was so intense. i'm hearing tracks not meeting safety standards even from levels set years ago. speed of the train too fast. how does this happen in this day and age and what are your questions and requirements to make sure we feel whole at the end of this as travellers. >> look, you're exactly right. those are the questions that identify been asking over the past couple of days. there could be a problem with

the track itself. could be an equipment problem. or could it be operator error. the engineer of the train who happened to be an experienced conductor, he had operated this route many times before. he could have just made a mistake in coming to the turn too fast. 70 mile-per-hour speed limit up north supposed to be doing 30 miles per hour in the curve. so we want to know what it was because if there's any improvements to be made we want to make them. this is a very heavily traveled route. we want on time performance. but more than anything we want safe performance. that's why i'm glad the ntsb is here. we're cooperating with them. and if there's anything to learn we want to learn from them. >> let me ask you this, have you ridden metro north lately. you've talked about improvements. haven't they been needed for quite some time. has metro north been up to par if you ride on one of those

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pecking order? >> it's all over the place. >> exactly. it's like the wild west. >> instead of the top down, everyone is all over the place. >> when you can do crowd source funding and stream content and just upload content on the internet through a digital distribution service, it does mess with the system that many believed was broken in the first place and hollywood studios are scrambling to figure it out and launching television. it does. >> the new issue of details magazine is out now. it's a good one. dan perez, thank you so much. up next, the white house said they met their deadline for improving healthcare.gov. not everywhere is jumping on the bandwagon. the time line for success is next. that and the train derailment in the bronx. we'll be right back. ♪

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good morning. it's monday, december 2nd. >> you had a busy weekend. you fried turkeys in front yards. >> my neighbor fried my turkey. >> it's nice -- he is frying my

turkey. >> he just deep fries things. >> everywhere comes over with their turkey. it was quite a spectacle. >> i brought a snickers bar over. i had to do that. look at that. >> i have to say i ate it and i loved it. it was delicious. >> was it really? >> yes. notice how the turkey goes in and i'm taking video and john campbell runs away. so i thought oh, my gosh. >> how long do you fry it? >> 40 minutes. look. i said to myself my god, maybe i should back off. >> how did it taste? like a big french fry? >> it was just good. >> crispy on the outside. golden brown. >> it was good. i can't do it again. >> i like that. >> you went to the jets game yesterday? >> i went to the jets game and

it was fun. they lot of, but they are so nice. the team. >> huh on tons of people at your house. >> we had a houseful. we didn't fry anything. i hope my husband doesn't decide to try that. there is one small fire department in our town. >> and run away like john campbell did. >> huh a nice gathering. >> we had a great gathering until saturday. was there a football game on this weekend? we have robert gibbs here. >> oh! this is what happened. >> we have a problem with his microphone. what did you do? >> i just thought about robert

gibbs. where did you watch the game? >> that is the ugliest shirt. >> section 28, row 13. >> did you go on the field afterwards? >> we did not. you had to jump over the thoej get on the field. i was worried with my 10-year-old. >> you don't look good in that shirt. you look like a disturbed person who may touch me inappropriately. >> there is nothing that you can say about my shirt that is even remotely concerning to me. there is nothing you can say about it. >> robert, have you explained to your 10-year-old son that he can live 100 more years as an auburn fan and there will never be a game that has the impact and the ending for an auburn game as the game he witnessed on saturday night? >> i told them afterwards, i said we spent so much monothese

tickets because i wanted you to think in 20 or 30 years when somebody was talking about the game that you were at that game and it all came true. >> it was a lot of play. a lot of news including the obama care website up and running a lot better than it used to be. stretches of the commuture really lane are closed after a deadly train crash over the weekend. four people were killed and 60 injured and 11 in critical condition. an early morning commuter train traveling for poughkeepsie to grand central station derailed in the bronx and about 100 people were on the seven cars that came to a violent stop. the train was only about 12 miles from its destination and many were dozing off when the cars tumbled off the tracks. tom costello joins us live from the scene and is there any indication about the issue of speed playing a role in the crash? are. >> good morning.

that's the question. how fast this was train going. behind me you can see they managed to right several of the cars through the trees and the fence. the governor has said he thinks that speed was a factor here. most of the witnesses and many passengers said that the train was 2r568ing at a high clip. the engineer said he tried to apply the brakes and they didn't work. the ntsb is involved in the investigation. they are looking at the digital recordings. was speed a factor or was it a mechanical problem. early sunday morning, massive response in new york. a twist and broken metro north train on the side after crashing to a sudden violent stop. passengers said it happened in a blink. >> we were going fast and it was flying. >> they were screaming and people were crying out to god and asking for their families. it was gruesome.

>> the train left at 5:54 bound for grand central station. less than 20 minutes from the destination, it went off the tracks in the bronx. cars pushed by a locomotive detailed. dan cohen's department is right above the crash and he took these images. >> for sounded like a plane crash that went on and on. it lasted for about ten seconds. >> arriving ffls found three had been thrown from the cars. >> we had evidence of people under a couple of cars and we used air bags to lift the car. >> in all, four dead and 63 injured. the governor said er8 evidence suggests a train must beful traing much too fast. >> coming into the station, they make this dramatic 90-degree turn, in this case it went off the tracks and towards the

river. since speed was a factor, the question is why. >> we don't know what the train's speed was and we will tlearn from the vehicle event recorders. we recovered it off the cab car. >> there had been trouble before. a northbound freight train derailed. last month they raised concerns about track maintenance. investigators will look at whether the crew was paying attention. fatal accidents in both california and spain were tied to speed and distracted train operators who were texting. >> they will take a tox test of the crew immediately following the accident and look into their rest periods for the previous 72 hours. fatigue is a critical issue in transportation. >> there is no reason why people coming home from a holiday should be dead. there is no reason for it. >> the engineer has we are told about 15 years of experience.

the ntsb is hoping to talk to him today or tomorrow and he suggested he tried to hit the brakes and nothing happened when he did. he had a dramatic job. he had to slow from 70 miles per hour down to about 30 miles per hour as it made that bend. did that not happen and if not, why not? the hudson line is a major commuter line. 50 upon,000 people a day come into and out of manhattan on this train line. this is causing a major commuter disruption. we have seen an hour to 90 minutes from people getting into new york and taking that extra time. the advice from the police and mta officials is give yourself extra time and that may take all week. back to you. >> there is something about this. >> i know. everybody asking the same question. >> airplane safety is extraordinary, but you are not

quite surprised that sometimes when the plane crashes. there so many variables going on. but here, these derailments, this is the second or the third on metro north. this is insanity that they can't keep the trains on the tracks. >> and reports now surfacing that the tracks are not updated and they are not meeting safety standards. i'm not sure where all of our transportation dollars went and what's going on with the companies when you look at them, but how does this happen? i continue sounds like monday morning quarterbacking, but how does this happen? let's turn to washington. officials announced they met their deadline and that was one of the big questions for improving healthcare.gov. it will work smoothly for the vast majority of users. the site's repair team making

400 technical fixes and say the website can host up to 50,000 people at the same time. the obama administration said the site is stable. more than 90% of the time. however according to providers, healthcare.gov is far from perfect. the "new york times" reporting insurance companies are not receiving all the information about the individual who is sign up for coverage through the exchanges, creating a logistical nightmare for insurers. former adviser to president obama insists obama care will be viewed as a success even if it doesn't happen until after the president is out of office. >> it program was designed to be implemented by the states and most of the states are going well. you talk about medicaid expansion. they take until 2017 and you will see almost every state running their own exchanges and expanding medicaid and it will work well then.

let's fast forward to health care working better and the economy continuing to strengthen and no washington shutdowns. the president's numbers will recover and people's confidence will recover. >>or "meet the press," chuck todd pointed out an interesting tidbit. >> page three said here that the team is operating with private sector velocity and effectiveness. okay. that is an acknowledgement that this was a government operation for a long time and it failed. now we bring in the private sector folks. that is an inindictment on the idea of government as a solution frankly. >> i thought one of the most interesting things and the most disturbing things as you look at how the administration handled this is the fact that they were not ready to go. they knew this was coming for a couple of years. interesting exchange back and forth on kathleen sebelius's response to the chief of staff having a countdown clock.

then basically rolling their eyes saying they are micromanaging. that really seems to put more on kathleen sebelius that not only was she not ready, but she was resentful of people that were suggesting that she be focused on the launch date. >> good reporting over the weekend and what happened in the past. they face a real challenge and anyone who ran a website and traffic knows you have a problem. you have to matchup capacity with people's interest as they do better and start to tell people it's doing better. more people will come to the site. the "new york times" talking about how insurers are saying they are not getting the back end information. they call the insurance company and said we never heard of you. they have to get the last bit done and it's bad. a lot of uncertainty. >> a lot of people think they have insurance. that's bad. >> again they say now they can

handle 50,000 at a time and if people start come, they need to keep the capacity growing. >> yeah because they stopped at 50 and they will not fix it anymore i'm sure. >> that's all right, doctor. you can put it back on. i have insurance. actually, no you don't. >> stop it. >> a lot of people are saying it has been frustrating and people think they logged in and they don't have the right information. >> i'm surprised they are not happy. >> the obama administration better not take that attitude. this is the utterly absurd. some more people can get on than could get on when we launched the achievement, but not as many as could buy a kindle on cyber monday. wait, you may be able to sign up and type your information and that will work awesome. if your kid is sick and you take

them to the doctor, sorry. we don't know who you are. i'm sorry, this is not a fix. >> say that again? >> is that a fair assessment of how it's working now? >> no because nicole's depiction you buy insurance and have it the next day. the most important thing is that website is improved vastly from where it was two months ago and quite frankly where it is now is where it should have been two months before it launched in order to keep doing this. we are in a critical president because december 1st through i think a three-week period of time now, if you are changing insurance and you want insurance by the beginning of january, you need to be signed up in this period. it's crucial. there is no doubt that the back end systems will continue to be a great concern. there is payment mechanisms for subsidies that the technical guys have said at hhs haven't

been built yet. we will focus less on user experience because it will improve and turn our eye to watching whether or not that back end 834 form, those back end mechanisms make sure the companies get what they need. the website is sort of past this momentary deadline, but there is no doubt in order for any of this to function properly over the next four months, you have got to continue to improve. >> it has to ramp up. >> how craze tow nicole's point that they say the website is working well. it's a hollywood -- he said the same thing. it's a hollywood facade. it's a western and you get everyone shooting. you push the wall over and there is not actually a saloon behind it. >> it's a fake town. >> we made it look good.

david pruf's assessment, i don't think we get to 2014 without it being radically altered. the president is doing it right now, but my gosh. david plouffe is saying this thing is going swimmingly well and the president may have to leave office before it does. >> coming up on "morning joe," we will check in with jim and amazon rolls out a high flying plan for faster deliveries. we will tell you what the faa has to say. >> you have drones. >> it's a no can do. >> seriously. 30-minute drones and i like it. i love it a lot. no, it's never enough. >> first here's bill with a check on the forecast. >> it's like a typewriter. >> it's connected somehow.

>> amazon is flying. >> bill? >> had mika, i'm with you. never going to happen. let's talk about the forecast. big changes in the middle of the country. it feels warm now, but enjoy it while it lasts. it's a cloudy day and not a lot of sunshine to be found. airports are doing okay and 30 minute delays in atlanta. all the major airports are doing okay. a light rain and here comes another arctic blast. this is what the weather map will look like. this is not heading for the east coast. this is all for the northern rockies and the central plains. as far as snow goes, we will get considerable snow in the days ahead. the mountains and the northern plains. the forecast said lots of clouds and mild temperatures. enjoy that. 51 today. san antonio 80 degrees. you will be much, much colder bite the end of the week.

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>> our first paper takes us overseas to the capital city of kiev. demonstrators throw molotov cocktails at the police after the president refused to sign a trade agreement with the european union is a political

victory for vladimir putin who is trying to draw trade away from the west. anti-government protests in thailand left three dead and hundreds injured as the crisis deepens in one of the southeast asia's largest economies. demonstrators are looking to topple the government and the current prime minister after accusations of corruption and abuse of power. the un closed its offices in bangkok warning travelers to stay out of the streets. >> from the "los angeles times," afghanistan president karzai is accusing the u.s. of deliberately withholding fuel and other supplies from afghan forces. the latest in the dispute over a post 2014 security deal. karzai said they are with holding the fly? an attempt to sign the 2k3wr5e789. >> from the "los angeles times," officials say speed may have been a factor in the crash that killed actor paul walker and his

friend over the weekend. according to police the fast and furious star left a charity event he was hosting as a passenger in a red porsche, witnesses at the event say they heard a loud boom and saw smoke from the accident. walker was in the middle of filming fast and furious 7, the latest in the film's franchise. vin diesel and others paid tribute on twitter and other social media. he leaves behind a 15-year-old daughter. he was 40 years old. >> bizarre. he was at a charity event and gets in a car and the guy drives off with him? >> he was the passenger in the car. >> he runs into a pole and blows up. >> the pictures of the scene afterwards, you can hardly make out that it was a car. it was a horrific scene. i never met him, but he was supposed to be a great, generous, kind and humble guy.

an awful tragedy. >> terrible story. black friday deals and early opening hours on thanksgiving weren't enough to convince shoppers to spend more as weekend data is showing consumers spent $1.7 billion less than last year. 45 million people went shopping on thanksgiving day, but it came at the expense of black friday sales. that's not a good sign. willie geist, i would like you to read the next gentlemen. this i believe may just -- you know what? all the lonely saturday nights are over for me. i'm going to have them filled with drones flying overhead and visits from the amazon guys. >> visits from the drones. >> and goddesses. only women can make that happen. >> for came out on 60 minutes. the term drone strike. >> look at that. >> the company is actively

testing packaged delivery using drones. he described how it would work last night on 60 minutes. >> these are octo copters and effectively drones,but there is no reason they can't be used as delivery vehicles. i can show you how it works. we are talking about delivery here. >> we are talking about delivery. there is an item going into the vehicle. this looks like science fiction. it's not. >> wow. >> this is early. this is still years away. dlops the package and we can do half hour delivery. >> he said years away, but he said four or five. he admitted it's not practical at the moment. . >> he's one of the new tech geniuses. it is a good indication that this guy just like steve jobs before him is dropping a lot of

acid. dropping a lot of acid. this will never happen. >> i would like to deliver that, but they had a tree line. >> or new york city. >> that's kind of a -- >> i still read weekly reader. >> that was just a good tv. >> it doesn't make sense. how do do you it in a city? >> they will drop to the building that is a drone. they are amazon. >> they are amazon. they can do anything. >> everything. >> you order diapers at dinnertime. it's amazing. >> they can be here before you get off the set. >> i often am sitting here ordering things on my phone and they are there by the end of the day. >> i do all the time on amazon.

it is amazing how efficient it is. >> it is crazy that we just saw this a couple of weeks ago. i was driving home and visiting a friend in connecticut. i'm driving and i saw coming on the side street, i saw the postal service truck. i sat there thinking it was picturesque and i thought it was a scene out of the 50s or 60s or 70s. i thought ten years from now, we are not going to see those trucks anymore. how are they going to figure out? they will figure out how to deliver everything to us without us having to leave ourous. >> we won't need people anymore. we are very overrated. >> it causes a real challenge for the economy. that's why the mail service is losing so much money. >> as nicole can tell you, you

go to diapers.com, it's there. you need diapers or formula, it's there. >> it's there the same day many times. it's crazy. type diapers and wipes. >> the same day? >> the same day. hours later. the mad reszs. >> do i get diapers? i don't wear diapers. you saw james. totally potty trained. >> the president and ceo. >> it's like a mogul. >> you like to see the word drone. >> travels. >> you got a big thing tomorrow. >> you ever launching. >> relaunches tomorrow. i know you will be there. we have capital playbooks. mike allen's playbook. i can't believe you don't get it yet.

>> i don't get it. >> you shall have it today. >> i want it too. >> we have a towel of things to talk about. i want to ask you about the big front page piece that meat a lot of news. the paper tiger about the way the white house views him. explain the piece. >> glen has been doing work looking at the weakness of the obama cabinet. there is just frustration with chuck hagel because they were putting a republican and a defense secretary in the cabinet. he disappointed folks in the white house at a time where he needs to define how he's going to be. he is leading the department when you are about to go through a huge round of cuts. does he go along with the white house trying to trim spending? it's interesting jen to see how much frustration there is in the white house with the cabinet. not just hagel, but others with sebelius in the hhs roll out.

it's their cabinet and they picked it. it's one of the reasons where you have the incidents with the health care system. >> why the general frustration? they think they are incompetent? >> they are not living up to standards. they are lack luster when you thought it would be more forceful. >> why did they think that? if you asked anyone in his own party, he was a republican for many years. maybe still is. if they watched his confirmation hearings, there were signs that perhaps he wasn't up for it. >> lots of signs. i think you have given this rush for one you want to get a republican in your cabinet to have diversity of ideology and they wanted him to get confirmed. everything you are seeing with chuck hagel, the 23ru69 rags expressed said these are the frustrations you will probably have with chuck hagel as defense secretary.

like the health care. >> what about sebelius? interesting information about sebelius recenting dennis mcdono for having a countdown clock which he should have had to say this much time he will be most important. is he resentful of that. >> there was a "new york times" piece sunday where they were mocking him. hhs officials mock mocking him for micromanaging in this style. the white house needed to do more. >> he was right. they were wrong. >> that's the tension is how much of this control do you give when you may not fully trust them. you have the impulse and certainly obama has it to centralize everything. when you centralize and juggle six or seven things, bad things happen. this is a perfect illustration. what happened with the roll out, you needed an a plus team to execute. >> the roll out was bad.

my dad was asking this. has anyone been removed from their position? >> nobody has been removed yet and i don't know that anyone will. you want us to fire the people involved in this right when we are trying to fix it? >> you need those people around. >> do they make changes later and they might. i don't think you will see high profile dismissals. you can't change the cabinet and the approach and you can't change the mechanics. >> no one in the media was saying that. you can change your cabinet. you are the president of the united states. you can change it. >> you can change. >> the president can do whatever he wants. the country and his administration, the president can do whatever he wants. >> he can bring in somebody from business. look at he did. >> i totally agree. and how they said, that's what

we conservatives have been saying, the government can't run something this big, this effectively. they were too ambitious and they will keep going back not just politically, but policy wise. they tackled more than they could handle and we see this playing out and how embarrassing with them fixing the website. the back end is not working. you can sign up and sign the entire family up. the insurance company is not going to get the info. >> that's the quandary for the white house. this will go on for years. every single hiccup is going to be amplified as a big structural problem. a lot of our structural things earlier was talking about if you have the back end not working and i can't get insurance or there is massive confusion because the insurance company is confused, that's not victory. that's a different kind of defeat. coming up next, the powerful

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>> he was author and prize winning journalist david finkle, author of the book club pick. thank you for your service. you have a portion that you love so much. >> i love this. i know it's not the that gets quoted, but it's that i underlined when i was reading it. overtime the war came to me less and less until it meant nothing at all. meanwhile the others meant more and more until they came to mean everything. can you talk about that? >> sure. the book is a chronicle of people who had gone to war in iraq as part of the surge in 2007. this was a battalion of 800 guys who left filled with a sense of mission and a young man's invincibility and when they came

home 15 months later after a very, very tough tower, of course they were changed. what happened in those 15 months is war followed the transition. when the mission and the sense of mission faded and in the end they were in it for the guy next to them. what happened is they came home and a lot of them were psychologically wounded by their experiences. i did a follow-up, thank you for your service which about what happened to the guys after they came home and they were trying to recover. there was a lot in the book something along the lines if the truth turns out to be here for the guy next to you, the truth is they are on their own. that's the case. they come home and they are isolated and trying to understand what happened to them. >> there is this scene that i don't know how to describe it other than heart pounding where he is just home very much in the throws of ptsd which is why he

leaves. he drops his 4-month-old infant son. the son is okay, but he is traumatized. can you talk about the families. you do a better job than i have seen anyone do telling the stories of the families. >> thank you. that's what's inside the book. it's not a policy book, but stories about what happens after they get home. it's one of the people i spent a lot of time with. i was with the unit when they were in iraq. i was with them for about a year or less during their tour and i got to know them including adam shumann who was regarded as one of the best soldiers in the battalion. this was a guy on his third tour. he was in combat for 1,000 days and they reached a point where they couldn't do it anymore. >> his wife said he's a good guy, just a broken good guy.

>> she a good guy. the poor guys, instead of feeling good about carrying out the mission he was assigned to do and had done well, he left with a feeling of guilt. he came home with the diagnosis of chronic ptsd. now it's two years later and he and his wife had a baby. the baby is four days old. they are in bed and his wife is exhaust and said please, can you hold the baby a bit and she looked at him and fell asleep and a second later he fell asleep and the next thing they heard was the sound of something hitting the floor. it was the 4 day old. the baby was okay, but this was a series of brutal events as they tried to recover what of what war did to them. >> from thank you for your service, why was he sent home with a diagnosis of severe ptsd?

the answer must be that he is weak. why was that confirmed again and again when he was home? why does he get angry and forget things and why is he jittery and why can't he stay awake? she weak and worthless and despicable and unforgivable. the thoughts keep coming. no way to stop them now. >> this is the dialogue in his own head. this is not a judgment of him. this is how he thinks about himself. so many guys would me if they could look in the mirror and see some physical representation of an injury they would be so grateful if they were maszing something. if they could see a scarred over bullet wound they would have proof that something happened to them. they come home with invisible wounds and part of the difficulty is each day begins with an act of persuasion that maybe i am ill. >> just hearing that dialogue going on in his head takes you

back to when patton had that infamous moment where he went into a hospital on the battlefield and said the same thing about a young man who was suffering and slapping and said get back out there. there was an outcry. he had to be removed. for a while, i'm just wondering what's the difference between these heros that came home from world war ii that were seen with the great war. is it that we are talking about it more or understand it more? >> i don't know, joe. >> my sense is has the last decade been the hardest? >> my sense from talking to people who served in these wars, world war ii, vietnam, korea, pick your conflict. it's that the commonality is

once you are in the midst of something, an event happens that shakes you down to the bones. one war is the same as any war. you are traumatized in that moment and life is trying to recover from the moment. >> your mind sees something that it can't comprehend and you go to a loop trying to comprehend it. >> these folks are two million americans have deployed into these wars. of the two million, 1.5 million are thought to be fine mentally. 500,000 have come home with a psychological wound from serving in these wars. now life is about the afterwar. they are here in communities across the country trying to recover from the experience. >> with wives and children. >> exactly. >> the book is thank you for your service and it's a must read to help everybody

understand a generation and the next generation of warriors and those who lived with them. you can get involved in the discussion on twitter using the hash tag mj book club or mojo.msnbc.com. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> up next, why the stock market is hitting record highs. steve's charts accident next. is this the bacon and cheese diet?

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just about at the all time high. why is that going on? for a couple of reasons. one, the fed kept interest rates near and the temptation for most people is to take their money out of cash and put it into the stock market, but the other thing -- >> i feel no such temptation. >> i know that, but corporate profits are going up. the corporate profits which is the green line is up 42%. it's good for them. this blue line -- >> they will hire a lot of people now. >> in health care. >> the blue line is what they are paying people which is 4% more than they paid in 2007. you can see those corporate profits are higher. >> we learned in the recession that companies were a little fat and can be more efficient and they trimmed the staff. the question to read between the lines, what will change that chart and get wages to go up? >> what will get wages to go up

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join today at angieslist.com . >> welcome back to "morning joe." cognizant of the fact that we have been very bad to chuck todd, let me ask. >> ditwo new things this weekend. i fried a turkey. john campbell, my friend's husband fried it. i went to a football game. and i met a great woman. suzanne johnson. >> fantastic. all right. >> what did you learn? are. >> joe scarborough missed the stock market the last five years. >> i don't know what i'm going to do. >> david finkle wrote one of the most important books out. >> giving you praise, it was tough over the weekend. >> he handled it.

>> if it's way too early, what time is it? >> roll tide. if it's way too early, you win enough of these things. stop being a pig. >> pigs get fat. hogs get slaughtered. here's chuck. >> one month left in 2013. will it be a happy holidays for president obama after a very tough year? first wave of fixes for health care.gov. we wait to find out the true test. what happens when more people logon today. an update on the commuter train derailment in new york and what governor cuomo had to say. find out whether kiber monday sales will live up to the hopes and expectations of retailers and how close to reality the plans to deliver the orders with drones.